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world. it is friday, may 7th. we're beginning with breaking news that pfizer is submitting an application. just moments ago for full fda approval of its coronavirus vaccine for every american 16 and older. that would make it the first covid vaccine in the u.s. to be evaluated for full approval, not just for emergency use. >> here's the significance. if the fda grants full approval, pfizer will be able to market and distribute its vaccine directly to consumers. that's just one thing that's significant. the company requested priority review asking the fda to make a decision within the next six months. let's bring in chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. is a relatively new process.

in fact, these are the first vaccines that have ever had emergency use authorization where the bar for that was basically simply to show do the benefits of this product outweigh the risks in the middle of a public health disaster, public health emergency as we were seeing. that's what the criteria was. with approval, as you might guess, you need to have more data, lots more data and ultimately have to show that the product is safe and effective. now, i want to be clear. it doesn't mean that the authorized product wasn't safe and effective. it's just that the bar of data

typically the symptomatic disease, 91.3% efficacy. the important number, 100% efficacy. meaning nobody really had severe disease in the group of people who received the vaccine versus pla placebo. more practically speaking, you alluded to this, you're going to now be able to directly market to consumers. one thing we haven't really seen yet are direct ads to consumers. we may see those if this has approval. also on a practical level, there's a lot of organizations that have wanted to encourage schools, for example, to take the vaccine, but if it's authorized, you know, that's a harder case to make. if it's an approved vaccine, that might make it easier for some of these organizations to, in fact, mandate it. we don't know for certain. we're going through this for the first time. really again, we had some of the first authorized, emergency use authorized vaccines in our

history. now we'll have some of those possibly transition to approvals in our history for the first time. >> what does this mean, sanjay, for cushing the spread of virus in that some folks may have looked at the emergency use authorization and been waiting to know that it was more of a standard authorization? >> i think that's a real thing. just talking to people around the country, i think the hesitancy that we talk about and show over and over again, some of it is driven by this idea that if this is just an emergency use authorization, has it gone through the full approval process? it's a fair question. there's a lot in that question. again, i don't want to suggest in any way that the emergency use authorized vaccines that are out there are not safe and effective. we've shown the process by which they've gone through. this is a more rigorous process. that may give people more comfort in taking a vaccine like this and may reduce that hesitancy. we'll see. even in years past with other

products, you know, there's roughly 15 to 20% of the country that still may remain hesitant, no matter what. no matter if it's approved, authorized, whatever. but this may help in sort of that moveable middle group of people. >> my understanding is the military hasn't required, hasn't made it mandatory for vaccinations until it is fully approved. that's one area, a immediate area, a concrete area that could change with the snap of a figure, which is interesting to see. stick around because we're going to turn now to the covid outbreak in india, which is in so many ways getting worse by the hours. the country reporting back-to-back days with record-breaking cases. more than 414,000 in the last 24 hours. clarissa ward live on the ground in india. tell us what's happening there. >> reporter: on the banks of the river ganges, this is one of the most sacred and spiritual places

in the country and prime minister modi hasn't visited here since last november but this city has been one of the hardest hit. the cremations start before dawn as workers still clean away the embers of the night before. nestled on the banks of the river ganges, this is one of the holiest cities but it has not been spared by the second wave of coronavirus ripping through the country. as day breaks, this man waits for the rush to begin. his family has worked in the crematorium for generations. but, he says, they've never seen anything like this. >> 140, 50 body per day.

>> reporter: what would you -- five minute, ten minute the ambulance bring the body. >> reporter: officially the government says that eight to ten people are dying here of coronavirus every day. but the real figure is clearly much, much higher. confronted with that reality, authorities have had to improvise. varanasi's main crematorium has been so overwhelmed by the number of deaths, that the city has had to set up a make-shift crematorium. this is just for covid deaths. a steady flow of bodies is coming in. we get off the boat to take a closer look. more ambulances are arriving, bringing the dead and grieving family members in full protective gear. they are sprayed with disinfectant before they can

begin the last rites. there's no way of sanitizing the deep sense of loss. during the two hours we spend here, seven bodies are brought in. critics say the government has been negligent in its mishandling of this crisis. that many lives could have been saved. this man tells us he never imagined he would say good-bye to his father this way. has the government done enough to stop this second wave? >> no. not enough. >> reporter: much more efforts were required, he said. varanasi needed a full lockdown but the government didn't do it. it was incompetence. the situation in the city has become so bad that shortages have been reported of wood needed for the funeral pyres.

this merchant says the demand is four times higher than usual. >> as long as i've worked here, i've never seen so many dead bodies coming in, he says. the last month has shocked me. >> is it true you're running out of wood in some places? the three main suppliers had run out of wood, he tells us. the local administration had to interview. death has always been part of the fabric of life in varanasi. for centuries people have come here to die. the belief is the sacred waters of the river ganges will help their bodies achieve liberation from the cycle of death and birth. the shattering toll of this

scourge has shocked everyone. >> it's really bad right now. and every household is facing this. i don't think there's been any family that has been spared. s the sun sets, the sound of the evening prayer pierces the smokey air. the next wave of the dead is brought in and the cycle begins again. >> actually implement that full lockdown last friday and it has been extended until monday. there are signs, although it's still early, that it's starting to take effect. it's a little difficult to trust those government figures but talking to the people who have been working at this crematorium for many generations, they say they are starting to see a dip in the numbers, but, of course, the question remains, what happens when you lift that lockdown and there is a lot of pressure to lift it, because these lockdowns are economically

crippling for the people who live under them. >> indeed they are. clarissa, if you could stay with us, we're bringing in dr. sanjay gupta. i know you have some questions for clarissa. >> yeah, first of all, amazing reporting, you and scottie. i recognize so many of those places. it's hard to see those images, it's heartbreaking. i'm curious when you say you're in new delhi and they say they're in lockdown for a period of time, we remember in united states, lockdown for front line workers was impossible. people were out and about. is lockdown for real even in places like new delhi? >> reporter: wshlgs i'll say this, sanjay, the lockdown you've seen in new york city or that i've seen in london doesn't look like the lockdown here. so in varanasi, for example, markets can be open every day until 11:00 a.m. and the streets are busy during those hours.

there was also a wedding in our hotel last night. and on the streets of delhi, as you say, it's not realistic. if you can't get oxygen for your loved ones and you have to wait in the line for ten hours sometimes, then you're not in the position of having the luxury of social distancing. this is a fight for survival and terms like lockdown and social distancing just don't really apply when you're in that kind of situation and yirou're desperately trying to source things to save the lives of your loved ones. sanjay, can i ask you a question, one thing i've been trying to get a better understanding of is this idea of herd immunity. with more than 20 million cases in this country, at what stage would india maybe expect to achieve herd immunity? is there some potential for these people to be mitigated

somehow? >> right. well, you know, i think there's two things here. i think a lot of people have been wondering for some time why with india had not been hit earlier on. very population-dense areas, obviously, vaccinations obviously, the rollout very, very slow there, in the single digit percentage. in terms of herd uhm municipamuni immunity, you're talking about a billion people having some form of immunity. a lot of that immunity, as you point out, may come from just natural infection, which is a very tough way to get to that point, but the other part of it has to come from the vaccinations, which have just been a small percentage of the country so far. so we don't know the exact number. herd immunity is dependent on how contagious the virus is at any given time. as you move into the warmer

months, the contagious may go down. it seems they're not anywhere close. i've looked at some of the testing data which is not adequate but what we can tell from testing data of antibodies, 20%, 30% maybe has that sort of protection when you need closer to 70%. >> it's an issue of scale. when you're dealing with india, so much of this is even trying to understand how much worse the problem could be there because of how much more populated it is. sanjay, one quick question in terms of what we are seeing in india, the variant that was first spotted there. the cdc now says it's on that list of variants of interest. what does that mean? >> there's variants of interest and variants of concern. variants of interest is something we think the mutations are worth taking a closer look at but there's not even real evidence yet around that variant.

it's not to say that won't be the case but there's not evidence yet that it's actually more transmissible or more lethal. this particular variant they're talking about in india is a combination of other variants. one of which has existed in south africa and one existed in california. but they think it's worth taking a look at but they don't quoit know how to categorize it or something that's more transmissible. i think the important point there is that this is not -- what is happening in india is not necessarily due to some mutant variant that has overwhelmed the country. that has happened is exactly what clarissa has been saying, they let their guard down and a contagious virus is already out there and it started to spread more and more amidst all those big religious pilgrimages and celebrations and political rallies and all that sort of stuff. the basic problem is what really drove this here. >> we want to thank you both so much for talking with us about

this. clarissa, you have been bringing us these important reports day after day from india, really taking us into what is a disaster and showing us what is happening on the ground, today no exception. thank you on so much for your stellar reporting. new york congresswoman elise stefanik on track to become the highest ranking woman on the house but some of her past comments and votes are raising questions about her conservative credentials. arizona's election audit might as well be looking for big foot at this point. here are the latest bizarre conspiracy theories. >> i'm getting there. don't worry, buckwheat, i'm getting there. and a republican facing fierce backlash for saying that to a fellow lawmaker. what he's saying now.

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elise stefanik will likely have replaced liz cheney as third ranking republican in the house. the new york congresswoman is writing the big lie to a gop leadership position, but she hasn't always been a trump loyalist. cnn's lauren fox is live on capitol hill. this is quite the evolution she has had. >> reporter: that's exactly right. a new k-file investigation has shown that before president trump was in office, when he was campaigning, she was someone who had several statements that she made against then-candidate and early on in his presidency, then president donald trump. of course, stefanik on track to take that top gop leadership position, the number three position, in the house republican conference. showing that donald trump still has a stranglehold on the gop. in a few hours, representative matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene are kicking off gaetz america first tour in a

retirement community in florida, aimed at whipping up support for former president donald trump. the goal, to rally people who voted for trump. many of whom believe his big lie, that the 2020 election saw rampant voter fraud, despite no evidence to support such claims. it comes as another trump loyalist, congresswoman elise stefanik, seems poised to take a key position in the house republican leadership. the new york representative is the front-runner for the republican conference chair position, held by embattled congresswoman liz cheney. stefanik is now a firm supporter of trumps, speaking to his former adviser, steve bannon, she endorsed a controversial partial recount happening now in arizona. >> i fully support it. transparency is a good thing. we need to fix the election security issues going into the future. >> reporter: but stefanik was not always so in line with the former president. in 2015, she criticized trump

when he insulted moderator megyn kelly after a republican primary debate. >> i think he is insulting to women. i think this may be mr. trump's peak moment and i think we're going to see his numbers change, you know, in decline over the coming weeks and months as the other candidates have an opportunity to share their vision for the future of the country. >> reporter: and stefanik wrote this after the q"access hollywood" tape. donald trump's offensive comments are just wrong, no matter when he said them or whatever the context, i hope his apology is sincere. she also criticized trump's main campaign initiative to build a wall along the southern border. telling a local paper, quote, i think that you can use technology to have better security along the mexican border. far too often securing the border has been a political talking point for the past 10 to

12 years. and there hasn't been enough kind of common sense discussions about what that actually means. once trump took office in 2017, stefanik held firm on her stance saying, quote, i don't think that's realistic. i don't think the president's plan is exactly right on that. in 2015, stefanik also disagreed with trump's calls for a muslim ban saying, this is not who we are as a country. this is not according to our constitutional principle and i associate myself with speaker ryan's comment, just saying there is no place for what trump said about muslims in this country. the expectation, of course, is next week when house lawmakers return from their recess, the house republican conference will hold a conference meeting where we expect the virginia fox congresswoman in the republican party will bring resolution to oust cheney. that coming in just a matter of

days. >> we will be watching. thank you so much for that. joining me now, former u.s. attorney general under george w. bush, alberto gonzales, now the dean at belmont university law school. i'm really excited to talk to you this morning because of a conversation we had before. i asked you once if you thought you could win a primary in texas now where you lived and worked for so many years. his response was, i'm not sure george w. bush could win a primary in texas. given that, given what you see as the state of the republican party, i'm curious what your feelings are when you see what's happening to liz cheney and the house republican leadership? >> you know, john, i'm disappointed, quite frankly. listen, if so-called conservatives want to remove one of the more conservative members at leadership in the republican caucus, obviously that's their call to make, but it does not change the fact of what happened on january 6th, which was really

an assault on our constitutional order. and it does not change the fact that donald trump lost the election. and so i think that -- those two factors are much more important, quite frankly, than who is in leadership, but i will say i'm disappointed about what's going on in the caucus. i have a great deal of respect for the cheneys. dick cheney and i didn't always agree on issues, but i had no question whatsoever about his love and devotion for the rule of law and his love for america. and i feel the same way about liz cheney. and, again, it's disappointing to see what's going on in the caucus. but, again, for my -- from my perspective, the two main points we should not lose sight of is what happened on january 6th. that was prompted, encouraged by the fact that people are going around, including donald trump, saying that the election was fraudulently -- was stolen and that there's just no evidence

that that, in fact, happened. >> it's interesting you bring this up because there's this audit going on in arizona. this is a partisan-led aubd it's by republicans by this private firm out of florida, one of the things -- we learned one of of the things they're looking for on this ballot. i want to play this and get your reaction. >> there's accusations that 40,000 ballots were flown in. >> into arizona? >> in arizona. and it was stuffed into the box. and it came from the southeast part of the world, asia, okay, and what they're doing is to find out if there's bamboo in the paper. >> they're looking for traces of bamboo on the ballots in arizona. attorney general, i mean, what are we supposed to make of that? >> i don't make much of it, quite frankly. anybody can make accusations

about anything, john. again, even if this is found to be true, it doesn't change the ultimate results of the election. you know, at some point it has to stop. again, there have been countless recounts, multiple challenges, over 60le cha engs in our courts, multiple statements, confirmations by republican, state officials at the highest level about the integrity of the elections within their respective states. it's got to stop, john. it's got to stop. we've got so many serious issues in this country, and republicans need to focus on those issues, quite frankly, moving forward. >> we saw, you were almost laughing listening to that. i know you don't think it's funny, or maybe you do. i'm just curious why that was the response it elicited when you heard that guy talking about bamboo. >> because it sounds pretty incredible, doesn't it? again, people can say anything they want.

i guess we can do investigations day after day after day after day, hoping to find something. no election is perfect, so we're going to find something irregularities. we may even find some evidence of light voter fraud, but nowhere near enough to make a difference in the outcome of what happened in november. so, as i said, i think it's well past time to look beyond the election and focus on the problems that are confronting the american people. we've got some serious issues here beginning with covid. we're making great progress. we need to focus on the issues, the economy, the issues important to the american people. >> it almost literally is looking for big foot at this point. if you're searching for traces of bamboo because you're chasing reports of 40,000 ballots are shifted, it almost is looking for big foot. one question on the justice department. there was a federal judge who put out a statement this week

that was really harsh on former attorney general william barr. basically saying that testimony that the justice department had given, submissions the justice department had given, had been misleading about this alleged memo that barr used to craft his opinion on the mueller investigation. so, the federal judge is calling the former attorney general disingenuous and misleading. i'm wondering what your thoughts are on that. >> well, obviously, the credibility of the department before our judges is critical. there has to be completed confidence in anything said by the department or any information submitted by the department to our federal judges. you so it's extremely troubling if true. again, i don't know the facts of this particular instance, but obviously it's something that all of us should be concerned about because it does affect the effective functioning of the department of justice. >> attorney general alberto gonzales, always a pleasure

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dozens of judges in states both red and blue have declared there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election but one case has been uncovered in pennsylvania as a trump voter just pleaded guilty tore casting a vote for donald trump on behalf of his dead mother. cnn's jessica snyder explains why he did it. >> reporter: a documented case of voter fraud. this one favoring former president trump. a pennsylvania man pleaded guilty to casting a vote in the name of his deceased mother, all in an effort to re-elect donald trump. 70-year-old bruce bartman has entered a guilty plea to two counts of perjury, one count of unlawful voting meaning he'll

get five years probation and he loses his right to vote for four years. the voting records show he used pennsylvania's online voter registration portal to register both his late mother and his deceased mother-in-law. illegally registering both of them as republican voters, according to the district attorney's office. then bartman filled out an absentee ballot for his mother and sent it in. he's pleaded guilty. his attorney says it was a misguided political dissent. this all goes against donald trump's calls of a fraudulent election in favor of joe biden. first of all, because there is no evidence of widespread fraud, and in this one case we're seeing out of pennsylvania, the illegal vote was actually cast for trump. >> jessica, thank you for that report. florida is now joining the growing list of republican-led states that are pushing new limits on voting. all in connection with donald trump's baseless claims of fraud in the 2020 election. a new law signed yesterday

creates stricter voter i.d. requirements for voting by mail and limits who can pick up and return a voter's ballot. governor ron desantis signed the bill live on fox. local media were barred from witnessing the signing. joining me now is florida democratic congressman charlie frist, the former florida governor running for governor again now. sir, thank you for being with us. how do you think this voting law is going to affect voter turnout? >> it's going to suppress the vote ala georgia. it's unconscionable that florida is doing this. wasn't that long ago that floridans, including governor desantis, were praising the florida vote last november saying how flawless it was, how good it was, and now they're trying to correct something that's not broken. it makes you wonder what's going on. but i don't wonder about it very much. i think it's clearly voter suppression. it is wrong. it's anti-democracy, for crying

out loud. the notion they're trying to do this and make it harder for fellow floridans to vote in the upcoming election in 2022 is obvious they're scared they're going to lose if they don't suppress the democratic and independent voter turnout. it's shameful, it really is. >> assuming desantis runs, are you concerned about this being advantageous to him personally? >> i think that's why he signed the bill. i think that's why he did it only before fox news. i think that's why he kept all other media out. you know, this lack of transpatiency by his administration is unbelievable. it's really anti-floridian. florida is a state of having sunshine laws, being transparent, be forthright with the people and this administration is exactly the opposite. they're hiding the ball. when they only have fox & friends come in, a friendly broadcaster, if you will, have the exclusive to having this,

it's like a cheerleading expedition through voter fraud in florida and suppressing the vote in florida and doing what's wrong for florida. we need a florida for all. we need a hopeful, optimistic, uplifting leader, someone who's honest, transparent, tells the truth. what i'm trying to offer in this campaign. we need help. if people want to help, they can go to charliecrist.com. it's a tough race. running against an incumbent is never easy but he makes it easier every day by doing things that don't make sense, especially our seniors have the opportunity to vote and vote by mail. it's a florida tradition. they're trying to take it away. it's simply wrong. >> governor desantis has, as you know, kept florida open much more than other states. a lot of constituents have liked that. at the same time, just this week florida has led the nation for increased coronavirus cases, has had a big increase in deaths, still relatively small for the

size of the state. how do you stack yourself up against someone whose response to the economy amid coronavirus if at odds with science at times has been popular in florida? >> i don't think it is all that popular. i really don't. what i think is happening in the sunshine state is, let's look at the facts. 36,000 of my fellow floridans are now dead because of the coronavirus. how many might still be alive if the governor actually had a plan when this virus hit? he still doesn't have one. it's been a hodgepodge. he goes around the state and he has pop-ups where he will give vaccines. these are in white, republican, wealthy neighborhoods. and it's unconscionable that you would do that because if you're giving 3,000 to those neighborhoods, those enclaves that are wealthy and that give him campaign contributions, on the flip side, when he goes to lakewood ranch in manatee county, he's not going to inner city bradenton. people of color are being denied

access the same way his supporters rz are gaining access. that's unbelievably cruel, unfair, it is unkind. it's ungodly. it's unbelievable. i can't imagine that a leader of the state of florida is being that discriminatory in how he's choosing to save lives or not do so. it's hard to imagine, it's hard to witness, breaks my heart. it leads me to run for governor because florida is a special place. this guy is off running for president already, working to try to get the nomination in 2024. he's going hard right in order to capture that base. that's not what florida is. florida is one of the most diverse states in america. it's a beautiful place. people come here and should come here, but it has to are safe. safety first is a pretty simple concept and governor desantis is not paying attention to it. >> florida is going to be a very interesting state to watch. certainly in the governor's case coming up here. we appreciate you joining us this morning.

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a capitol riot defendant is claiming fox made him do it. attorneys arguing on his behalf claim that he lost his job and proceeded to watch fox for the next six months developing what they called foxitis and fox mania and believing the lies spewed by the network and donald trump about the 2020 election. let's talk about this with cnn

analyst carrie cordero. this is one of the more creative defenses we have heard, that he was effectively brainwashed by watching tv. what do you think? >> good morning. so, this is something that his defense attorney is certainly entitled to argue, but it is not going to be a persuasive defense to the conduct that is being alleged. let's talk about the actual investor's affidavit filed in this case, what it alleges the defendant did on january 6th includes a wide range of charges. unauthorized entry into the capitol complex, disorderly conduct, physical violence. i'm looking at my notes because i wrote down a few of the charges. physical violence on the grounds, obstructing a proceeding. and this individual, m mr. antonio, he was present in the vicinity when mpd officer

was being brutally beaten by the crowd. he saw it, he threw something at the officer. so, what the court eventually, if he does not plead guilty to the charges is going to be looking at is the actual conduct and the video evidence and other evidence that exists in the case, not his allegations that he was brainwashed by watching tv. >> it's almost kind of laughable, i think a defense like this, but at the same time, and maybe this is where you can put your national security hat on, just talking about radicalization. you have these somewhat dedicated silos of information. we see that with fox viewers. this is what the defendant in this case is alleging. is fox responsible for, you know, feeding these >> it will be interesting to see as these all progress. there will be a different track between the criminal prosecutions going on right now and whether or not there are civil cases that get filed

against fox in the future for inspiring this conduct. but you mentioned the national security angle. one of the things that's been so interesting for researchers and experts who follow terrorism of the last couple decades is that the -- what we used to see when it was al qaeda inspired or isis inspired, online radicalization. the government, the intelligence community had different guidelines that they looked at that demonstrated a path of radicalization that an individual here in the united states was subject to that then went from being a regular person to somebody who believed the propaganda that they were consuming online. and some of the terrorism researchers see the same type of pattern of radicalization and believing the propaganda that they are consuming when it comes to some of this far right extremism, as well as the lie

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that is when your life is threatened. i'm getting there. don't worry, buckwheat, i'm getting there. >> i'm sorry -- >> what i'd like to say -- >> that's an endearing term, by the way. >> all right. so right there, that woman you see approaching the podium is colorado state representative leslie harrod who confronted her colleague following the remarks, and she joins us now. representative, i appreciate you being with us. >> good morning. >> what did you say to him? >> you know, i asked him to leave the well, to get off the floor. and later asked him to acknowledge that when someone says something is offensive or racist that he stops, he calms down and he apologizes. you know, we have to quorum in the house chamber. and a part of that decorum is ensuring there's no name-calling period. but to call someone such a pejorative and racially charged

word on the house floor is completely unacceptable. >> i've now watched it a dozen times and every time he says it out loud, you just take a step back and go, wow. i wonder -- that's me. i wonder for you what it was like to hear that word in the well. >> it was not surprising, but it was extremely offensive and insulting. and i've got to tell you, it was in the direction of me and my colleague david ortiz. it was at david ortiz who is a latino veteran in a wheelchair. our first wheelchair -- person in a wheelchair in the general assembly. to again use such a charged term is inappropriate but not unexpected from this representative or other representatives from the other side of the aisle. we as a black caucus, and i am the chair, have been dealing with racial terms, racial insensitivities on the floor this entire session. and quite frankly, it's got to

end. this was the last straw. >> why is it happening? it's an interesting point. we've covered people talking about how great the three-fifths compromise was. we covered one state politician talking about the good in slavery. this seems to be happening more. what's going on here? >> oh, it is happening so much more. i want to do a side note. we were talking and debating my bill which is why i was in the well around art funding. funding for the arts and cultural facilities. it had nothing do with anything the representative was saying. he just wanted to go down there and see if he could incite people, right? that's what he was trying to do. get a rise out of me or my colleagues or whatnot. do i think he was going to use that -- planned to use that term? no. but do i think he's probably used it before? absolutely. so why is this happening? i believe that it is in stark contrast and response to the movement for black lives. to the fact that in colorado we

have made such progress on addressing the issues that have come up from our communities, specifically around racial inequality and the white supremacy and racist roots of this country. and it is happening in a bipartisan way. black, white, brown, we are all coming together to say that we must address this. and there is backlash. and people are upset. now, i'm a member of leadership as well. a part of the joint budget committee. i've got to tell you, the very similar attacks are being lobbed at the budget this year. we were talking about diversity and equity. >> representative, i want to play, because he did make what i think he thinks was an apology. i want to play a little bit of it right here. >> yeah. >> i think that we all have to do better. i will start with me. but i think we have to respect each other. we have to respect people's time here and listen and be good people and not try to have

confrontations across this chamber. i apologize if i've offended anyone in any way. it is not my intent. >> very quickly, did that cut it for you? >> absolutely not. i think to continue to excuse racist behaviors instead of calling it what it is and apologizing is never going to be enough and saying that, you know, he's sorry, if he offended or whatnot. it doesn't do it. and he hasn't approached me to apologize personally at all. and so, again, this is not the first time. the last time something happened that involved him and racism, he committed to having a conversation with the black caucus, which, quite frankly at the time was all we were asking for. he committed to doing that and then he did not do it. and now he's backing out of that. so i don't really believe that he wants to lead the charge to address these issues. in fact, i think he just wants to get out of a very sticky situation that he put himself in.